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ONE MONTH SINCE THE OCTOBER 7th MASSACRES IN ISRAEL AND OVER 240 HOSTAGES HELD BY HAMAS I AM JOINED BY A GUEST WHOSE MOTHER WAS RELEASED BUT WHOSE FATHER REMAINS IN CAPTIVITY.

THEN PRIME MINISTER SAYS ISRAEL WILL CONTROL GAZA SECURITY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

I ASKED HIS ADVERT --ADVISER HOW AND WHY.

PLUS GAZA IS BECOMING A GRAVEYARD FOR CHILDREN THAT WARNING FROM THE U.N. CHIEF.

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I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

ONE MONTH AGO TODAY JUST AS THE SON ROSE ON OCTOBER 7th HAMAS LAUNCHED A SURPRISE ATTACK ON ISRAEL.

THE GOVERNMENT IS 1400 PEOPLE WERE KILLED MOSTLY CIVILIANS.

THE WORST MASSACRE IN THE COUNTRY 75 YEAR HISTORY.

PROGRESSIVE OPERATION IN GAZA WAS NOW OVER 10,000 KILLED THERE ACCORDING TO THE PALESTINIAN MINISTRY OF HEALTH IN RAMADA.

IT IS A DEATH TOLL THAT EVEN THE U.S., ISRAEL'S BIGGEST SUPPORTER IS FINDING HARDER TO EXPLAIN.

THESE ARE PICTURES OF MEMORIALS TONIGHT IN TEL AVIV MARKING A MONTH SINCE THE ATTACK.

AND LAST NIGHT THE FACES OF HOSTAGES KIDNAPPED BY HAMAS WERE PROJECTED ON THE OUTER WALL OF JERUSALEM'S CITY.

TO THIS DAY, 240 PEOPLE REMAIN IN CAPTIVITY.

86-YEAR-OLD JOHAVED LIPSCHITZ HAS A HUSBAND WHO IS BEING HELD AND I HAVE BEEN SPEEDING TO THEIR DAUGHTER ABOUT THE FAMILIES ORDEAL.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ALONG WITH A LOT OF HOSTAGE FAMILIES THAT YOU BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENTS FIRST AND FOREMOST DUTY IS TO THE HOSTAGES.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CURRENT WAR ON GAZA SINCE THE ATROCITIES IN YOUR COUNTRY?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE, BUT DO I BELIEVE?

I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE EVERYBODY HAS COME HOME SAFE.

I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SOME OF THEM ARE MEDIUM AND LONG-TERM.

THE SHORT-TERM MUST BE THE RETURN OF THE HOSTAGES.

I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S REALLY AT THE FOR MOST OF EVERYONE'S MIND.

>> IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF YOUR PRIME MINISTER OR DEFENSE MINISTER OR WHOEVER WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM RIGHT NOW, YOUR FATHER IS STILL THERE?

>> BRING THEM BACK.

BRING THEM BACK.

DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING THEM BACK.

ISRAEL HAS EXCHANGE LOADS OF PRISONERS, 1000 PRISONERS FOR ONE SOLDIER, NOT A CIVILIAN, A SOLDIER.

MY FATHER WAS ALWAYS AGAINST THAT.

HE THOUGHT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.

BUT WE DID IT BECAUSE THE FIRST CONTRACT THAT THE COUNTRY HAS WITH ITS CITIZENS IS TO PROTECT THEM.

WE HAVE 240 HOSTAGES , CIVILIANS , BABIES, CHILDREN, MOTHERS, ELDERLY PEOPLE LIKE MY FATHER, THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE THING TO JUST LET THEM BE COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

>> IT'S A POWERFUL MESSAGE AND WE WILL BRING YOU ARE FULL INTERVIEW LATER THIS WEEK.

BUT NEXT, THE U.S. SECRETARY- GENERAL SAYS THAT GAZA IS BECOMING A GRAVEYARD FOR CHILDREN.

ISRAEL'S INCURSION HAS ALREADY LEFT MORE THAN 4000 CHILDREN DEAD ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH AUTHORITIES IN RAMADA.

IN HIS FIRST INTERVIEW SINCE OCTOBER 7th IS REALLY PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU TELLS ABC THAT HIS GOVERNMENT IS CONSIDERING "TACTICAL , LITTLE PAUSES " TO ALLOW GOODS BUT NO CEASE-FIRE.

HE ALSO REVEALED PLANS TO CONTROL THE ENCLAVE SECURITY INDEFINITELY.

>> I THINK ISRAEL WILL FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD HAVE THE OVERALL SECURITY RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE IT.

>> TODAY THE WHITE HOUSE PUSHED BACK THING THAT ISRAEL SHOULD NOT REOCCUPY GAZA.

MARK GREG ABBOTT IS A SENIOR ADVISER TO THE PRIME MINISTER AND HE IS JOINING ME NOW FROM TEL AVIV.

-- MARK REGEV, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

MANY OF YOU HAVE SUFFERED ENORMOUSLY.

THE WIFE OF MR. LIPSITZ SAYS EVERYTHING IS TO BE DONE TO BRING BACK THOSE HOSTAGES.

ONE OF THE WARS AMES WAS TO PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON HAMAS THAT THEY WOULD RELEASE THE HOSTAGES.

IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

>> CORRECT, IT HAS NOT HAPPENED IS ONE OF THE AIMS OF OUR OPERATION, IT IS CRUCIAL THAT WE EXPEDITE THE RELEASE OF THE HOSTAGES.

BUT CHRISTIANE, WE SAW THIS SORT OF BARBARIC VIOLENCE THAT HAMAS IS CAPABLE OF.

WE SAW WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY INVADED OUR COMPANY --COUNTRY AND BUTCHERED OUR PEOPLE.

THE RAPES, THE MASSACRES, THE BURNING OF PEOPLE ALIVE , WE CANNOT FORGET THAT.

THEY WILL NOT SUDDENLY RELEASED THE HOSTAGES BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO BECOME HUMANITARIANS.

THE CONTRARY.

WE BELIEVE THAT BEEFING UP THE PRESSURE IS THE BEST WAY TO HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO RELEASE HOSTAGES.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF PAIN.

YOU HAVE BEEN DROPPING ONE AND TWO TON BOMBS.

THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION WHETHER IT REMAINS A SERIOUS PRIMARY WAR GOAL?

>> WE ARE SEEING IN OUR INTELLIGENCE THAT HAMAS IS INCREASINGLY UNDER PRESSURE AND WE THINK TODAY THERE IS A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THE HOSTAGES OUT THAN THERE WAS BEFORE AROUND INCURSION AND I THINK AS WE KEEP RATCHETING UP THE PRESSURE THE CHANCES OF SERIOUS MOVEMENT ON THE HOSTAGE ISSUE IS INCREASED.

YOU'RE CORRECT, IT HASN'T HAPPENED UNTIL NOW.

I FEEL FOR THE FAMILIES AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH.

WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?

>> I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU THERE BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU WHETHER ACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE TABLE IN THE VEIN THAT SHARON --SHERON LIPSITZ INDICATED.

YOU HAVE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN HISTORY DOING PRISONER SWAPS.

I JUST WONDERED WHETHER THERE WAS ANY SERIOUS CONTEMPLATION OF TRYING TO GET YOUR HOSTAGES BACK BY RELEASING HAMAS PRISONERS ?

>> AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS GOING ON THROUGH THE COUNTRIES BUT SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT YIELDED ANY RESULTS.

WE BELIEVE IT IS POSSIBLE THOSE TRACKS MAY WORK IN THE FUTURE IF HAMAS IS UNDER INCREASED PRESSURE AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO TELL PEOPLE IN QATAR THAT YOU HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HAMAS AND YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TERRORISTS WHO BRUTALIZED INNOCENT CIVILIANS, WHO MASSACRED AND RAPED YOUNG PEOPLE AT A MUSIC FESTIVAL.

YOU TELL THE WORLD THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HAMAS BRINGS BENEFITS, SO LET'S SEE , BUT THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE HAMAS AS I SAID SUDDENLY BECAME NICE PEOPLE.

THEY ARE NOT NICE PEOPLE.

>> THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MORE PRESSURE ?

THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID , YOUR PRIME MINISTER IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO GENERAL CEASE-FIRE WITHOUT THE RELEASE OF THE HOSTAGES SO IS THE HOSTAGE RELEASE?

THE CONDITION FOR THE CEASE- FIRE?

THE OPERATION AS YOU KNOW IS TO DISMANTLE THE HAMAS MILITARY MACHINE AND AND LITTLE CONTROL.

TO ACHIEVE THE RELEASE OF THE HOSTAGES WE ARE HOPING TO FACILITATE THAT RELEASE WOULD ONCE AGAIN IT'S ONLY GOING TO HAPPEN IF HAMAS FEELS THE PRESSURE AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THAT PRESSURE ON HAMAS.

>> WHAT PAUSES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

LITTLE PAUSES?

WHAT, WHEN, HOW ?

>> IS THAT OPERATION STARTED A MONTH AGO WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CAUSES.

SO FAR WE HAD TO PAUSES THAT FACILITATE THE RELEASE OF TWO PAIRS OF WOMEN.

WE HAVE ALSO HAD --DEPARTURE OF GAZANS FROM THE STRIP TO THE SOUTHERN GAZA STRIP , THERE ARE ALSO PAUSES TO ALLOW HUMANITARIAN SUPPLIES.

THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORT WILL CONTINUE AND OF COURSE THERE WILL BE PAUSES TO BE FACILITATE THAT.

TO SEE THE WAR CEASE GIFT HAMAS WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

IT IS LIKE A CEASE-FIRE WITH AL QAEDA OR WITH ISIS, THESE PEOPLE OF COURSE ONE A CEASE- FIRE BECAUSE WE ARE HITTING THEM HARD BUT JUST GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO REGROUP, TO RE- ENERGIZE THEIR FORCES, TO REARM AND THEN HIT US AGAIN WOULD BE A MISTAKE.

ONE OF THE LEADERS OF HAMAS SAID GIVEN THE CHANCE THEY WOULD DO OCTOBER 7th AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN .

HIS WORDS, NOT MINE SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE HAMAS CAN HAVE A REST AND ATTACK US AGAIN IS NOT A LOGICAL POSITION.

>> TO THAT POINT YOUR PRIME MINISTER GAVE HIS FIRST INTERVIEW NOT TO THE IS REALLY UP LAST BUT TO THE AMERICAN PRESS AND OF COURSE SAID OR IMPLIED THAT ISRAEL WOULD REMAIN FOR THE INDEFINITE FUTURE IN CHARGE OF SECURITY.

WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN?

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT?

WELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

WHAT DOES IT EXACTLY LOOK LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT IN STRESSING SECURITY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SECURITY PERSONS AND POLITICAL CONTROL.

AND WHEN THIS IS OVER AND WE HAVE DEFEATED HAMAS IT IS CRUCIAL THERE WILL BE A RESURGENT TERRORIST ELEMENT RESURGENT THOMAS.

THERE IS NO POINT DOING THIS AND GOING BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN IS REALLY -- ISRAELI SECURITY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ISRAEL IS OCCUPYING GAZA WERE THERE TO GOVERN THEM.

WE ARE INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING NEW FRAMEWORKS FOR THE GAZANS CAN RULE THEMSELVES FOR THEY CAN BE INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF GAZA AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BRING IN COUNTRIES FOR A RECONSTRUCTION OF A DEMILITARIZED POST HAMAS GAZA.

>> I MEAN, I WONDER WHETHER THAT SPLITTING HAIRS GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK WHICH IS MEANT TO BE ALIVE THEIR CONTROL BUT IS ACTUALLY A LOT OF YOUR CONTROL AND THE REASON WHY AM ASKING IS THAT AS YOU KNOW THE AMERICANS, YOUR STAUNCHEST SUPPORTERS HAVE FLOATED AND SAID PARTICULARLY THE SECRETARY OF STATE THAT THEY SEE A REVITALIZED PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY IN THE FIRST INSTANCE GOING IN MAYBE NOT IMMEDIATELY BUT THE SECURITY AND THE CONTROL OR WHATEVER , THE MANAGEMENT OF GAZA WOULD BE UNDERTAKEN BY THE SECOND TRANSFER OF WHAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ISRAEL WILL STAY THERE IT IT MILITARY CONFIGURATION?

>> CORRECT, WHEN YOU STAY THERE IT'S LIKE WE ARE THERE THE WHOLE TIME AND I THINK YOU COULD EXPECT SOMETHING MORE FLUID AND FLEXIBLE WHERE WE CAN MOVE IT AND MOVE IN AND OUT AS WE NEED BE.

WE ARE NOT ANY SORT OF ONGOING OCCUPATION OF THE GAZA STRIP.

ONCE AGAIN, WE WANT THE GAZANS TO RULE THEMSELVES AND WE THINK THERE WILL BE AN INTERNATIONAL EFFORT FOR THAT.

WHEN YOU BRING OUT THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY I WANT TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

IT WAS A MONTH TODAY SINCE THOSE TERRIBLE OCTOBER 7th TRAGEDIES AND THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY HAS STILL REFUSED TO CONDEMN THEM.

I'M SORRY, THEIR SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES.

FOR THEM TO SAY THAT THEY ARE A PEACE PARTNER AND THE SAME TIME REFUSING TO CONDEMN THEM IN THE ATROCIOUS VIOLENCE, -- >> I WILL BRING IT UP WITH THE FORMER PALESTINIAN PRIME MINISTER BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT HUMANITARIAN SITUATION.

LOOK , MARK REGEV, 10,000 DEAD IS A HUGE NUMBER AND IS IT A DESPERATE SCENE AS YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE SEEING ON OUR SCREENS AND THE PEOPLE ARE REPORTING ON INSIDE GAZA EVERY SINGLE DAY.

YOU TALK ABOUT HUMANITARIAN PAUSES BUT THAT WOULD BE NEWS TO A LOT OF THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED THROUGH 27, 28 DAYS OF CONST AND BOMBARDMENT.

I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I WANT TO READ SOMETHING ABOUT DOCTORS.

YOU CAN SEE THE REPORT OF HOSPITALS AND HEALTH SYSTEMS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE BOMBINGS, PARTLY BECAUSE OF YOUR TOTAL SIEGE OF ALL THE NECESSARY SUSTAINING NECESSITIES THERE.

THIS IS A QUOTE THAT STRUCK ME.

ABOUT DOCTORS.

THEY MAKE SNAP DECISIONS AMID THE SCREAMS OF SMALL CHILDREN UNDERGOING AMPUTATIONS OR BRAIN SURGERIES WITHOUT ANESTHESIA OR CLEAN WATER TO WASH THEIR WOUNDS , IT GOES ON, A LACK OF FRESHWATER SUPPLIES AND IODINE HAS LEFT WOUNDS FILTHY WITH MAGGOTS NIBBLING AT PATIENTS CHARRED AND TORN FLESH.

SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT YOU PROUDLY CALL THE MIDDLE EAST ONLY DEMOCRACY , IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAR?

>> CHRISTIANE, YOU HAVE COVERED WARS OVER THE LAST DECADE.

>> I AGREE I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND I'M NOT ON THE GROUND.

>> FIRST OF ALL THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A WAR IN MARYLAND HISTORY RIVER HAS NOT BEEN CIVILIANS CAUGHT UP IN THE CROSSFIRE.

>> 10,000 MARKET?

>> OUR OBLIGATION IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.

TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS AS NOW YOU QUOTE THE 10,000 NUMBER WHICH IS THE NUMBER THAT'S PUT OUT BY THE HAMAS -CONTROLLED MINISTRY OF HEALTH IN GAZA AND THAT'S PICKED UP BY EVERYONE ELSE BUT THEY ARE ONLY ONE PRODUCING THE NUMBERS.

YOU SAY 10,000 CIVILIANS, I HAVE TO ARGUE WITH YOU.

NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM ARE HAMAS TERRORISTS.

>> I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT PERCENTAGES BUT YOU SEE THE KIDS AND CIVILIANS AND THE WOMEN.

>> I AM JUST SAYING IT'S INCORRECT I THINK TO SAY 10,000 CIVILIANS HAVE DIED THAT IS PRESUMING THAT ISRAEL HAS NOT HIT A SINGLE HAMAS TERRORIST IN THAT OPERATION.

>> WE SAID 10,000 DEAD.

>> IT IS CLEARLY NOT ARE ALL CIVILIANS.

>> BUT YOU SEE THE CIVILIANS?

>> I HAVE NO DOUBT THERE IS GENUINE SUFFERING AND TRAGEDY IN GAZA I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SINGLE CIVILIAN KILLED BUT LET'S SPEAK --BE CLEAR.

ISRAEL HAS BEEN CALLING ON GAZA CIVILIANS TO RELOCATE AND MOVE AND GAZANS HAVE VOTED WITH THEIR FEET OVER 800,000 PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OUR ADVICE AND MOVED TO THE SOUTH OUT OF HARM'S WAY .

WE ARE ESTABLISHING TOGETHER WITH THE AMERICANS AND OTHERS THIS SAFE ZONE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE GAZA STRIP CLOSE TO THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST ON THE WEST THERE.

IT IS IN PROSPERITY -- PROXIMITY TO THE CROSSING OF ROUGH -- RAFAH WE ARE TRAINED TO KEEP THEM OUT OF HARM'S WAY.

IF ISRAEL IS MAKING A MAXIMUM EFFORT TO KEEP CIVILIANS OUT OF HARM'S WAY THE HAMAS AUTHORITIES ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE.

HAMAS IS TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO LEAVE, THEY ARE ORDERING PEOPLE NOT TO LEAVE AND THEY'RE PUTTING A PHYSICAL BARRIERS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM LEAVING AND WHY?

BECAUSE HAMAS DOESN'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THE CIVILIAN POPULATION, THEY WANT TO FIGHT UNTIL THE VERY LAST MOMENT.

THAT'S WHY THEY BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ORGAN AREAS.

IN NORMAL COUNTRIES THE JOB OF THE MILITARY IS TO PROTECT THE CIVILIAN POPULATION.

HAMAS SAID THE JOBS OF THE CIVILIANS IS TO PROTECT OUR TERROR MACHINE.

THEY SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR THE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I AM SURE THOSE FIGHTERS DON'T GIVE A HOOT AS YOU SAY ABOUT THE CIVILIANS WHO ARE BEING KILLED IN TERRIBLE MASSACRES OR RATHER IN TERRIBLE WAYS THAT WE CAN SEE.

BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE YOU SAID, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THAT YOU WARNED ALL THESE PEOPLE TO MOVE.

WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING THIS FOR WEEKS.

THEY DID AS YOU SAID IN HUGE NUMBERS, BUT THE SOUTH IS ALSO GETTING BOMBED.

IT IS ALSO GETTING ATTACKED.

AND SO THIS IS A PROBLEM.

MANY OF THEM SAYING THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO RUN.

THAT IS ONE THING.

THE SECOND THING IS WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU ACHIEVED INTEGRATING HAMAS IF YOU SAY THEY ARE CONTINUING TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON PEOPLE?

CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH YOU THINK YOU HAVE DEGRADED THEM MILITARILY?

>> WE HAVE BEEN HITTING THEM HARD AND WE WE DEGRADED THEM SUBSTANTIALLY BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE THAT --DONE BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS THE ELIMINATION.

DESTROY THE MILITARY MACHINE AND WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

IT WILL TAKE MORE TIME AND MORE EFFORT.

THIS WILL NOT BE OVER SOON AND BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WILL BE OVER SOON THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO EXPEDITE THE SAFE ZONE AND THE INCREASE IN THE FLOW OF AID TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA.

THAT IS OUR GOAL.

IN PARALLEL AS WE RELENTLESSLY PURSUE THE HAMAS MURDERERS WE HAVE TO AT THE SAME TIME FACILITATE, EXPEDITE AND SUPPORT FOR THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF GAZA ULTIMATELY AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS FOCUSED TO TARGET THE HAMAS TERROR MACHINE AND IN PARALLEL C THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR THE CIVILIAN POPULATION.

>> CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE YOU SAID EARLIER?

YOU INDICATED YOU ARE MOVING CIVILIANS AND YOU WANT THEM TO MOVE TO A CERTAIN POINT NEAR THE RAFAH ET CETERA WHICH IS ON THE EGYPT BORDER.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ALL OVER WHO ARE TRULY PANIC STRICKEN THAT WHAT YOUR REAL INTENT IS --I AM NOT SAYING YOU, I AM SAYING THE GOVERNMENT'S REAL INTENT IS TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THE CIVILIANS FROM GAZA.

THERE HAVE BEEN SECRET PAPERS OR PLANNING PAPERS CIRCULATING.

MANY IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY BELIEVE THAT IS THE INTENTION .

EGYPT SAYS NO, WE WON'T TAKE THEM.

JORDAN SAYS NO.

THE U.S. SAYS WE STILL BELIEVE IN A TWO STATE SOLUTION.

WE DO NOT BELIEVE OR DO WE ACCEPT THE FORCIBLE TRANSFER OF POPULATION.

ARE YOU TRYING -- DO YOU WANT, DO YOU EXPECT THE PEOPLE OF GAZA TO MOVE INTO EGYPT?

>> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS A TEMPORARY LOCATION TO GET THE FIGHTING CONTINUES AND WHEN THE FIGHTING IS OVER OF COURSE THEY CAN RETURN TO THEIR HOMES.

AND IF THEIR HOMES NEED TO BE REBUILT THERE SHOULD BE AN INTERNATIONAL EFFORT TO HELP RECONSTRUCTION OF GAZA.

WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT ONE MOMENT AGO BUT ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT HOW ISRAEL -- >> NO, IT WAS YOUR PAPER.

IT WAS A PAPER FROM THE MINISTRY OF INTERIOR.

INTELLIGENCE, I'M SORRY.

>> NO, NO, NO.

I WAS NOT SERIOUS AND MY PRIME MINISTER DENOUNCED THE DOCUMENT.

IT IS NOT SERIOUS.

CAN I BE CLEAR ABOUT THE EGYPTIANS?

THEY HAVE OPENED UP A FIELD HOSPITAL FOR THE WOUNDED ON THEIR SIDE OF THE CROSSING.

THE JORDANIANS AND THE IMMORALITIES HAVE OPENED UP FIELD HOSPITALS INSIDE THE GAZA STRIP.

THE FRENCH ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE ALREADY MOVED A HOSPITAL SHIP TO THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST OPPOSITE GAZA.

WE ARE SUPPORTING ALL THESE EFFORTS AND WE BELIEVE THEY ARE IMPORTANT.

ALSO TO PROVIDE MEDICAL SUPPORT.

WE HELP FACILITATE THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY HAMAS HAS TURNED THE HOSPITALS OF GAZA AS HAS BEEN WIDELY REPORTED INTO TOOLS OF THEIR TERROR MACHINE >> THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ATTACKING AROUND THOSE HOSPITAL SO LET'S JUST MOVE ON BECAUSE THAT'S A FACT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BOMBARDMENT AROUND THE HOSPITAL SCHOOLS OTHER THINGS BECAUSE WE -- >> THAT'S BECAUSE HAMAS TURNED THEM INTO MILITARY TARGETS, THAT IS THE TRUTH .

>> I SAID I WOULD ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE LAST NIGHT WE HAD THE TRAGEDIAN FOREIGN MINISTER ON AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE POSTWAR SCENARIO AND ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO URGE THEIR ACTUAL DIPLOMATIC PARTNER ISRAEL , YOU THEY HAVE A PEACE TREATY WITH TO LISTEN AND THIS IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME AND I WANT TO ASK YOU TO RESPOND.

>> STOPPED LISTENING TO ADVICE AND STOPPED LISTENING TO THE CALLS COMING FROM PEOPLE ACROSS THE WORLD TO SAY WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS SIMPLY WAR CRIMES.

SO WHERE -- TO CONTINUE WITH THIS WAR AND WE WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

STOP FOR AND WE SAY ENOUGH KILLING AND REALLY COME TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT IS THE PATH THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF US HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

THAT PART IS PEACE AND WE ARE READY TO ENGAGE WITH WHATEVER PARTNERS TO START IMMEDIATELY ON THAT PATH BUT ISRAEL IS NOT THERE YET.

THEY HAVE TO GET THERE.

>> HURTING ITSELF?

YOURSELF AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS HURTING?

DO YOU HAVE A PLAN TO RE-ENTER PEACE NEGOTIATIONS AFTERWARDS?

>> YES AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE SAW THAT ATTACK BY HAMAS ON THE DATE HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7th IS BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO TORPEDO ANY CHANCE FOR SAUDIS AND IS REALLY PEACE.

>> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT PALESTINIAN AND ISRAELI NOT SAUDI.

FIRST OF ALL THE CIRCLE OF PEACE HAS GROWN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

I EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE IN THE COMING MONTHS AND YEARS.

WE WILL SEE MORE AND MORE ARAB COUNTRIES MAKE PEACE WITH ISRAEL AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.

HAMAS OF COURSE IS OPPOSED TO PEACE.

OPPOSED TO RECONCILIATION.

THEY ARE THE MOST VIOLENT AND FEROCIOUS ENEMY OF PEACE.

>> YOU MADE THAT POINT AND YOU SAY YOU'RE TRYING TO DESTROY THEM.

I AM TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT NEGOTIATION BUT YOU SAY -- >> IF WE DEFEAT THIS MOST VICIOUS ENEMY OF PEACE I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR MORE MODERATE AND PRAGMATIC ELEMENTS TO FILL THE VOID BUT IT'S ALL SUBJECT TO US DESTROYING HAMAS BECAUSE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE POWER THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IS STUCK AND HAMAS HAS SHOWN ITSELF.

THEY SAY MY COUNTRY HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST IN ANY BORDER.

THEY SAY ANY ARAB WHO NEGOTIATES PEACE WITH ISRAEL IS THEY SAY THAT EVERY IS A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR THEIR TERRORISM.

IF WE CAN DESTROY THEIR POLITICAL POWER IN THE MILITARY MIGHT OF THIS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION WE ARE CREATING SPACE FOR MORE MODERATE VOICES TO FILL THE VACUUM AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

>> UNLESS IT LEADS TO MORE RADICALIZATION AND WILL LOOK AT THAT THE NEXT TIME WE TALK.

MARK REGEV, THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED.

>>> WE WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO SALAM FAYYAD WHO IS THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY.

WE PUT A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH MARK TO HIM.

WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

I WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST WHILE I WOULD'VE ASKED YOU ANYWAY BECAUSE IT --IS IT IS THE MONTH SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

YOUR PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY'S SAYS THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT ONCE CONDEMNED WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY .

HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU?

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD DO?

>> THIS IS NO TIME FOR BORDER AMBIGUITY.

ANY HARM THAT CAME TO CIVILIANS OR TARGETS CIVILIANS OR PUT THE BILLIONS IN HARMS WAY KNOWINGLY IS A CRIME UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW AND TO THE EXTENT WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IS TO BE CONDEMNED WITHOUT ANY HESITATION WHATSOEVER.

THAT IS OUR POSITION.

I WILL GO FURTHER.

WHENEVER WE GET TO THE DAY AFTER I HOPE WE GET THERE SOONER THAN LATER OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL THAT'S GOING ON.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THERE TO BE AN INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION OF INQUIRY TO LOOK INTO ALL OF THE CRIMES THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED AND ANYONE WHO IS FOUND TO HAVE PUT ANY CIVILIANS LIFE AT RISK HARMS A CIVILIAN IN ANY WAY OR PUT THE LIVES AS THE BILLIONS IN HARMS WAY KNOWINGLY IS A CRIMINAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW WHICH WOULD BE --BY THAT STANDARD AND HAS BEEN GOING ON SIX -- SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

WAR CRIMES ARE BEING COMMITTED.

I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF RESPONSES INCLUDING CASTING DOUBT ON THE NUMBERS AND SAYING THAT 10 THOUSAND AND -- LET'S JUST AGREE WITH ONE THING.

4000 CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED AND VERY ALIVE CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN COMBATANTS.

NOT TO MENTION OTHER POPULATIONS SO TO TRY TO MITIGATE AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE NOT A WHOLE LOT HAS HAPPENED, ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS BY ANY STANDARD.

A CABINET OFFICIAL , A CABINET OFFICER OF THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL SPOKE OF THE NEED MAYBE FOR ISRAEL TO DO EVEN NUCLEAR BOMBS AGAINST GAZA.

LET ME SAY MORE PALESTINIANS HAVE PERISHED OVER INJURED IN THE COURSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AT MANY TIMES OVER --THE NUCLEAR BOMB ON --.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

THAT IS THE SCALE OF THE STATION.

YES TO INVESTIGATING ALL OF THE CRIMES DEFINITELY AND I THINK A LOT OF WHAT IS GOING ON , A KEY REASON REPEATEDLY IS BECAUSE THERE WAS VERY LITTLE EFFORT TO REALLY BRING THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES TO ACCOUNT.

>> ON THE NUCLEAR THING, THE PRIME MINISTER DISAVOWED IT BUT I DO WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU BELIEVE CAN HAPPEN IN GAZA AND WHAT THEY SAID .

HAMAS WAS NEVER A FRIEND OF THE PS --P.A.S.

HAMAS COMMITTED A COUP BASICALLY AS YOU ALL SAY BACK IN 2000 SEVEN TO GET CONTROL OF GAZA.

SO DO YOU BELIEVE HAMAS CAN BE DEFEATED?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I THINK THE WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS RUN FROM THE START AND EVEN IF HE SAID WHAT HE SAID HE IS STILL A MEMBER OF THAT CABINET BUT LET'S MOVE ON.

TO SAY THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS CAMPAIGN IS TO RETALIATE HAMAS AND ELIMINATE HAMAS FIRST OF ALL LET'S JUST REMEMBER HAMAS IS A POLITICAL MOVEMENT.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ANYONE WAS SANITY THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE AND ERADICATE A POLITICAL MOVEMENT WITH IDEOLOGY.

NOT ALL OF US THINK THE SAME.

WE COME FROM ALL KINDS OF DIRECTIONS AS TO WHAT -- HAMAS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PALESTINIAN POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.

>> I NEED TO INTERJECT.

YOU DON'T REALLY SEE SERIOUSLY, YOU DON'T -- THEY DID WHEN THE ELECTIONS IN 2007 BUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ORGANIZED WHAT WAS A MILITARY ATTACK ON ISRAEL'S SOLDIERS AND FACILITIES AND INTELLIGENCE DEVELOPED INTO OR SLAUGHTER THAT IT WAS.

THOSE PEOPLE, YOU DON'T BELIEVE CAN ACTUALLY BE PART OF A RENEWED PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY OR CAN HAVE ANY ROLE IN THE FUTURE OF PALESTINE AS A STATE IF YOU GET YOUR STATE?

>> I AM NOT SURE I CAN AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

AS A MATTER OF FACT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID BY YOUR GUESTS ABOUT THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF ENVISIONING A POLITICAL PROCESS THAT MIGHT INCLUDE HAMAS, I REMIND EVERYBODY THAT FOR THE PAST THREE DECADES EXACTLY ISRAEL HAS BEEN PURSUING OR IN THE PROCESS SUPPOSEDLY LAUNCHED IN SEPTEMBER 1993 TO GET TO A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION .

ONCE HELD AS THE ABSOLUTE ENEMY WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH ET CETERA SO WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

NOW IF THEY ARE SAYING NOW THAT THEY CANNOT ENVISION A SITUATION WHERE HAMAS CAN BE A PART OF PALESTINIAN POLITICAL POLICY , WHAT HAVE THEY DONE EXACTLY WITH A COUNTERPART WHO HAD TAKEN ON VARIOUS COMMITMENTS IN 1993, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND THE STATE WAS ALLOWED TO EXIST AND BE TO RENOUNCE VIOLENCE.

WHAT THEY HAVE DONE MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THAT COUNTERPART WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS A PARTNER IN PEACE AT THE TIME OVER THREE DECADES.

PEOPLE LOOK AT HAMAS NOW AND SAY WELL THEY ARE -- THEY SINCE THEN HAVE CONTINUED TO ENJOY SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALIGNED IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY SAY THEIR POSITIONS ON THE OVERALL SENTIMENTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PUBLIC AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND THAT IS A CLEAR SYMPTOM OF THE FACT THAT THAT PROJECT WHICH HER GUEST WAS TALKING ABOUT , TWO-STEP POLICE ESTIMATE -- TWO-STEP SOLUTION HAS FAILED MISERABLY.

THE IDEA THAT THE COMMITMENTS TAKEN ON INCLUDING COMMITMENT TO RENOUNCE VIOLENCE REALLY FELL FLAT AS MY PALESTINIANS ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IS NOT ONLY HAMAS.

IT'S NOT ONLY ISLAMIC JIHAD.

NOT ONLY THOSE FACTIONS.

IT'S MANY INDEPENDENTS.

IT'S THE YOUTH IN PALESTINE.

TALK TO THEM AND SEE HOW MANY OF THEM STILL BELIEVE OR HAVE ANY THOUGHT OF A POSSIBILITY OF THEM EMERGING FROM THIS PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN --FOR A LONG TIME.

TO NOW SAY THAT THINGS CANNOT HAPPEN TO ME REALLY MEANS HUNDREDS OF CIVILIANS YES , GETTING KILLED OVER THERE BUT DESTRUCTION THAT HAS TAKEN AND WILL TAKE PLACE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL REMAIN OF GAZA AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE IF ISRAEL WILL CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED TO PERSECUTE THIS CAMPAIGN IN THE MANNER THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

>> MR. SALAM FAYYAD?

SO THEY SAY AND YOU HEARD AND MY GUESS WAS THE PRIME MINISTER'S CHIEF ADVISER, MARK REGEV.

LOOKING AND ENVISIONING FIRST OF ALL ISRAELI SECURITY CONTROL OF GAZA FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE AFTER THE WAR PLUS PEN ARROW REBUILDING OF GAZA.

DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING?

>> NO.

I DON'T BECAUSE I REALLY HONESTLY CANNOT SEE BEYOND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW WHICH IS BRING THIS AGGRESSION TO AN END.

LET ME JUST EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THIS.

CONTINUE TO MAN THIS CAMPAIGN AND EXECUTED IN THE WAY IT HAS BEEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL BE LEFT OF GAZA.

PEOPLE, AREAS TO LIVE IN, MEANS OF LIFE, I JUST CAN'T REALLY CONCEIVE OF THAT SO FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO INVEST IN --ISRAEL CAN SAY WHATEVER IT WANTS TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I UNDERSTAND IT THAT I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN'T REALLY BE ENTERTAINED AS A NARRATIVE BY KEY PLAYERS IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

THE FOCUS SHOULD BE NOW ON BRINGING THIS MAD DASH TO AN END AND THEN WE WILL PICK IT UP FROM THERE BUT TO REALLY BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE WHERE HAMAS IS DECIMATED, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT JUST BEFORE ALL FORMS OF LIFE IN GAZA HAVE BEEN DONE AND OVER WITH.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IN THIS SECURITY ARRANGEMENT THAT ISRAEL MAY BE CONTEMPLATING.

HE REMINDED ME OF WHAT ISRAEL , WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE WEST BANK FOR DECADES NOW WHICH IS ISRAEL IS THERE, ISRAEL HAS BEEN MOUNTING RAIDS BACK AND FORTH IN AREAS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER -- I WILL REMIND YOU OF YOURS.

RIGHT BEFORE GAZA HAPPENED.

IT WAS PRECEDED BY SEVERAL OTHERS.

RIGHT BEFORE THIS HAPPENED AS A MATTER OF FACT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SPECULATING ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF A THIRD --EMERGING BASED ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THE VIOLENCE THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THE WEST BANK.

ALL OF THAT WAS GOING ON.

SO TO SOMEHOW ALL OF A SUDDEN DEDUCE THIS AS IF IT'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS, NO, THIS IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN ISRAEL AND ALL OF THE PALESTINIANS.

IF THEY PROJECTED THIS WAY, IT IS NOT HELPFUL.

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING WHEN STATEMENTS ARE MADE ABOUT THE NEED TO REVIVE A PEACE PROCESS.

>> I AM SORRY.

I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A FUTURE PLAN THAT WE WILL DO THAT NEXT TIME BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

PRIME MINISTER , THANK YOU.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SHORT CORRECTION BECAUSE CLEARLY THE BOMBS IN HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI KILLED MUCH MORE THAN 100,000 PEOPLE.

BUT THANK YOU.

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IN THE UNITED STATES ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE ALL AROUND FOR GOVERNORS AND LEGISLATORS WHICH COULD BE INDICATORS FOR 2024.

MEANTIME, COLORADO IS WRAPPING UP A TRIAL TO DECIDE WHETHER FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS EVEN ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THEIR PRESIDENTIAL BALLOT NEXT YEAR.

COLORADO SECRETARY OF STATE JANET GRISWOLD ONE OF THE DEFENSE OF THE CASE NOW JOINS HARVEY STREET .

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THERE IS A LAWSUIT IN YOUR STATE THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW BROUGHT BY FOUR MEMBERS OF THE GOP, TO INDEPENDENCE AND THEY ARE SAYING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BALLOT IN COLORADO BECAUSE IT BASICALLY REMOVES THEIR ABILITY TO "VOTE FOR A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

EXPLAIN AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT?

>> FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON AND YES, WE HAVE AN INTERESTING LAWSUIT IN THE STATE OF COLORADO.

SECTION 3 OF THE 14th AMENDMENT SAYS EVERYONE THAT SWEARS TO UPHOLD THE COST OF TUITION AND SUBSEQUENTLY ENGAGE IN REBELLION OR INSURRECTION WILL PROVIDE A COMFORT TO THE ENEMIES OUR CONSTITUTION IS DISQUALIFIED FOR SO --BROUGHT THIS SUIT SAYING THAT PRESIDENT HAS DISQUALIFIED ENGAGING IN THE INSURRECTION ULTIMATELY A JUDGE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER FROM DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF THERE IS CLEAR LANGUAGE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

THERE ARE ALSO BIG QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER TRUMP'S ACTIVITIES RISE TO THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT AND INSURRECTION OR REBELLION AND OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND HOW SECTION 3 OF THE 13th --14th AMENDMENT WORKS.

UNDER COLORADO STATE LAW THE COURT HAS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW --OF A PRIMARY CANDIDATE SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CASE AND I THINK OVERALL IT WILL BE A GOOD THING TO SEE THAT DECISION BUT ALSO OTHER ELECTION OFFICIALS ACROSS THE NATION.

>> I SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU ARE A CO-DEFENDANT .

>> AS SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE STATE OF COLORADO I CERTIFIED THE BALLOT SO I AM A CO- DEFENDANT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT THIS LAWSUIT SAY THAT I SHOULD HAVE NOT PUT HIM ON THE BALLOT.

NOW I HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY OFFICIAL ACTION .

AND ACTUALLY WHEN THIS LAWSUIT WAS FILED WE STILL DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE FORMS FOR DONALD TRUMP'S CANDIDACY.

SO THAT'S WHY I AM A DEFENDANT.

OUR POSTURE IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP IN LIGHT OF THE DIRECTION -- INCITED THE INSURRECTION AND THAT A COURT SHOULD DECIDE THE PRECEDING AND OTHER BIG QUESTIONS AROUND HOW THE 14th AMENDMENT WORKS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE MATTER OF BEING CHARGED WITH OR BEING CONVICTED OF INSURRECTION WE HAVE SEEN THE TRIALS OF THE BEEN GOING ON SINCE JANUARY 6 WITH MEMBERS OF THE PROUD BOYS WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF THIS.

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS NOT.

DOES THAT MATTER?

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH VARIOUS CIVIL AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BUT THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER A GUILTY VERDICT IS NEEDED FOR SECTION 3 OF THE 14th AMENDMENT DISQUALIFICATION IS A BIG QUESTION IN THIS CASE AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT HISTORICALLY DISQUALIFICATION UNDER THIS INSURRECTION CLAUSE DID NOT REQUIRE A GUILTY VERDICT IN SECTION 3 OF THE 14th AMENDMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND IT WAS USED TO REMOVE HUNDREDS OF CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS FROM OFFICE DURING RECONSTRUCTION AND AGAIN, HISTORICALLY IT DID NOT REQUIRE THAT GUILTY CHARGE BUT ULTIMATELY WE WILL SEE WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS.

>> SO THOSE WORDS THAT WE REMEMBER FROM JANUARY 6th, PRESIDENT TRUMP STANDING AND TELLING A CROWD WE HAVE TO FIGHT AND IF YOU DON'T FIGHT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A COUNTRY ANYMORE.

HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PROTECTED SPEECH AND WHAT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS INCITEMENT?

>> THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT A JUDGE WILL WEIGH OR NOT.

AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY HAS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS BUT THOSE RIGHTS DO NOT TRUMP SECTION 3 OF THE 14th AMENDMENT OR DO FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS PROTECT FROM INCITEMENT OF VIOLENCE.

DID HIS ACTIONS RISE TO DISQUALIFICATION?

DID HE DISQUALIFY HIMSELF?

WOULD DISQUALIFICATION COME FROM BEING SEATED IN THE OFFICE OR ON THE BALLOT?

ANOTHER QUESTION IS WHO GETS TO DECIDE?

AND UNDER COLORADO LAW IF THERE IS A CHALLENGE TO CERTIFICATION, A JUDGE DECIDES SO THERE IS A LOT OF BIG QUESTIONS AND I THINK EITHER WAY THAT THE GUIDANCE WILL BE GOOD FOR ELECTION OFFICIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THESE LAWSUITS ARE FILED IN VARIOUS PLACES AND WE ARE SEEING IT PLAY OUT ACROSS THE NATION.

>> REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS SPECIFIC JUDGE RULES IT IS LIKELY TO BE CHALLENGED, WE ARE IN A DISTRICT COURT, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SO WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD TIME WILL --TIMELINE WISE A DECISION AND OTHERS TO HAVE CLEAR GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO?

>> I THINK THE JUDGE IN THIS FIRST STEP OF THE CASE UNDERSTANDS THE URGENCY IN THIS IMMEDIATE NATURE OF RESOLVING THE SITUATION QUICKLY.

SO THIS CASE WAS FILED ON SEPTEMBER 6th AND LESS THAN TWO MONTHS LATER WE ALREADY HAVE THE TRIAL.

CLOSING ARGUMENTS ARE ON THE 15th AND THE JUDGE HAS INDICATED THAT SHE HAD WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ISSUE THE DECISION BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AS YOU SAY IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THIS CASE IS APPEALED EITHER BY PETITIONERS OR DONALD TRUMP OR THE COLORADO GOP WHICH IS ALSO A PARTY IN THE CASE AND THAT IT WOULD GO TO THE COLORADO SUPREME COURT.

NOW WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD THEN GO TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT I THINK IS A LITTLE PREMATURE.

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COLORADO SUPREME COURT DOES AND WHAT OTHER COURTS DO ACROSS THE NATION.

>> YOU SHOULD KNOW FOR THE RECORD THAT THE PRESIDENT'S TEAM HAS CALLED THE CASE ANTI- DEMOCRATIC AND SAID THAT THEIR CLIENTS WORDS DID NOT MEET THE SUPREME COURT'S THRESHOLDS FOR INCITEMENT AND THEREFORE ARE AMENDMENT.

THE RESULT FROM THIS CASE , DOES IT HAVE BEARING ON THOSE LARGER IDEAS?

>> WE COULD SEE THAT PLAY OUT.

WE WILL SEE WHAT THE JUDGE HOLDS AND WITH THE LINES OF APPEALS ARE.

SO WE COULD SEE FURTHER INFORMATION ON WHAT'S PROTECTED SPEECH AND WHAT IS NOT .

IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY.

>> IT SEEMS THAT THE MORE PRESIDENT TRUMP COMES UNDER LEGAL SCRUTINY IN CERTAIN CORNERS OF AMERICA, HIS SUPPORT INCREASES.

WHAT YOU SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE EVEN IN COLORADO WHO SAY THIS IS A POLITICAL WITCHHUNT JUST LIKE THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT IS AND IT'S A POLITICAL MANEUVER TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CANDIDATE IS NOT ON THE BALLOT!

>> I SAY FOLLOWING THE LAW AND UPHOLDING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY.

WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAW OR THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A JUDGE TO WEIGH IN AND THE LEGAL PROCESS PLAY OUT.

YOU KNOW, SUPPORTERS BUT MORE POINT LEAD THE FORMER PRESIDENT AS SOON AS THIS --HE STARTED TO SHOUT ANYWHERE HE COULD THAT IT IS ELECTION INTERFERENCE.

WHAT WAS ELECTION INTERFERENCE WITH THE JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION , HIS TEAM'S ATTEMPTS TO INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTORAL PROCESS , THE FAKE ELECTORAL SCHEME.

HIS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SEIZING VOTING EQUIPMENT!

ELECTION INTERFERENCE TRULY IS.

DETERMINING WHETHER SOMEONE IS CAUGHT DISQUALIFIED BY A CLEAR PROVISION IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS HOW A CONSTITUTION REPUBLIC SHOULD WORK.

>> WHY ISN'T A CASE PLAYING OUT IN SOMEWHERE LIKE GEORGIA WHERE THERE ARE RECORDED CONVERSATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT PRESSURING THE SECRETARY OF STATE?

>> THIS CASE HAS BEEN FILED IN VARIOUS STATES, BUT THE BIGGEST HIT ARE HERE IN COLORADO AND IN MINNESOTA.

WHEN THE CASE WAS INITIALLY FILED I ASKED MYSELF THE SAME QUESTION.

WHY WAS IT FILED IN THE STATE OF COLORADO AND LAWYERS FOR THE PETITIONERS ACTUALLY SAID IN AN INTERVIEW ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS FILED HERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT LAW IN PLACE ALLOWING VOTERS TO CHALLENGE NOTIFICATION AND HAVING THAT CHALLENGE GO TO A COURT OF LAW.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG REASONS OUR LAWS ALLOW EASIER CHALLENGE TO QUALIFICATION THAN IN OTHER STATES.

>> LET'S PLAY THIS OUT FOR A MINUTE.

LET'S SAY THE PETITIONERS WIN IN COLORADO SUPREME COURT AGREES AND THERE'S NO APPEAL THAT TAKES EFFECT BEFORE THE ELECTION.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT VOTERS IN COLORADO WOULD NOT SEE DONALD TRUMP ON THE BALLOT WERE VOTERS IN THE STATES MIGHT?

>> I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO HYPOTHETICALS BECAUSE THERE IS A LONG TIME STILL TO WORK THIS ISSUE OUT BUT I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS THAT WHATEVER COURT DECISION OR ORDER IS IN EFFECT WHEN I SURVEY THE BALLOT IS WHAT I WILL DO SO MY JOB AS AN OFFICEHOLDER IS TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.

WHEN WE HAVE THESE BIG QUESTIONS A COURT OF LAW WEIGHS IN.

IT IS PREMATURE TO SAY WHAT WILL HAPPEN BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS AROUND THE CASE.

THAT'S WHY WE JUST HAD A FIVE DAY TRIAL WITH PEOPLE TESTIFYING ON BOTH SIDES.

>> THERE'S ALSO A LINE OF THINKING THAT SAYS WHY NOT LET IT PLAY OUT AT THE BALLOT BOX ?

>> THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICAL DISCUSSION.

PEOPLE WHO ON ONE SIDE SAY THIS LAWSUIT IS GOOD AND OTHERS WHO SAY IT'S BAD THAT MY JOB IS NOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE POLITICS.

MY JOB IS TO FOLLOW THE LAW, UPHOLD THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THERE IS LISTENING TO THE COURT OF LAW SAYS.

THIS PROVISION IS IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION FOR A REASON AND THAT REASON WAS THAT OFFICEHOLDERS BACK WHEN BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN INSURRECTION OR REBELLION SHOULD NOT BE AT THE HELM OF ELECTED OFFICE OR IN ANY OFFICE IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE JUDGE SAYS AND MY JOB WILL BE TO FOLLOW WHATEVER THE JUDGE IS AFTER TIME OF CERTIFICATION.

>> YOU'RE THE FIRST DEMOCRAT TO HOLD THIS OFFICE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO IN A LONG TIME.

PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY CLEARLY SHE IS NO FAN OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHY SHE WANTS TO DO THIS.

DECISIONS, LAWSUITS AND NONE OF THIS HAVING IN A POLITICAL VACUUM AND WHILE YOU MAY NOT WANT TO LOOK AND FACTOR IN THE POLITICS, EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA TODAY SEEMS TO TAKE POLITICS INTO ACCOUNT.

>> I WAS AGHAST, I AM THE FIRST DEMOCRATIC SECRETARY OF STATE ELECT IN 60 YEARS SINCE PRESIDENT EISENHOWER WAS PRESIDENT AND IN THIS CASE I DID NOT BRING THIS CASE.

I AM ACTUALLY A DEFENDANT IN THIS CASE.

THE LAWSUIT IS FILED UNDER THE PREMISE TO BAR ME A SECRETARY OF STATE IN MY OFFICIAL CAPACITY FROM PUTTING DONALD TRUMP ON THE BALLOT.

AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE POLITICS WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF HOW OUR ELECTIONS WORK , HOW THE U.S. CONSTITUTION FUNCTIONS, HOW OUR LAWS WORK AGAIN MY JOB IS TO FOLLOW THE LAW UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND LISTEN TO THE COURT.

I DO BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP IS DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACY .

HIS LIES AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE ELECTIONS HAVE RULED -- ACROSS THE NATION, HAVE INCITED ATTACKS ON ELECTED INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING THREE HERE IN THE STATE OF COLORADO.

HAS LED TO AN POSSESSIVE LEVEL OF ATRIAL -- LED TO THREATS WHICH CAUSED SOME TO STEP DOWN.

I DO BELIEVE HE IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY.

I ALSO BELIEVE IN THIS CASE WHETHER HE HAS DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF FROM TAKING OFFICE GIVEN HOW COLORADO LAW WORKS IS IN THE HANDS OF A COURT AND HONESTLY I THINK THAT IS GOOD.

A COURT SHOULD BE DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND DETERMINE WHAT --THAT IS A NECESSARY STEP IN THE CLIMATE WE SEE OURSELVES IN TODAY.

>> SO WHAT IS THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN COLORADO SINCE THIS CASE WAS FILED?

>> THE POLITICAL CLIMATE HAS BEEN REALLY HARD FOR ELECTION ADMINISTRATION.

WE HAVE SEEN THREATS SKYROCKET.

WE HAD ABOUT ONE THIRD OF LOCAL COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SINCE THIS IMMEDIATE CASE WE SAW A SKYROCKET OF THREAT AND WITHIN THREE WEEKS THERE WAS OVER 60 DEATH THREATS AND 900 TYPE TWO --THREATS WHICH MEANS NON-DEATH THREATS.

>> I WONDER WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU BECOME A FOCUS OF SO MUCH OF THE HATE AND VITRIOL AND THREAT ?

>> I TELL YOU, IT IS SCARY.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT I RECEIVED A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF THREATS.

THE THREATS AGAINST ME MYSELF DARTED IN THE SUMMER OF 21 AND TWO MEN HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF LETTING MY LIFE OVER CONSPIRACIES SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DANGEROUS.

THE FACT THAT HIS RHETORIC AND ACTIONS INCITE VIOLENCE AGAINST ELECTION WORKERS IS TROUBLING.

THAT IS NOT HOW --IS NOT HOW AMERICAN ELECTIONS CAN WORK.

WE SAW THE ATTEMPTED KIDNAPPING OF THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN THE ATTACK AGAINST PAUL PELOSI.

THE ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITAL -- FRIENDLY ONE.

SO THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

FOR ME PERSONALLY I TAKE THE THREAT SERIOUSLY AND TAKE PRECAUTION BUT I WON'T BE LAST THING I WOULD SAY ON THIS, ALTHOUGH STRESS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED SINCE THE FILING OF THIS LAWSUIT IS FROM ME BEING A DEFENDANT.

I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN ANY ACTION AND THAT REALLY SHOWS HOW VOLATILE THE NATIONAL DANGEROUS RHETORIC IS AGAINST ELECTION WORKERS AND OFTEN AT A HEIGHTENED DEGREE AGAINST WOMEN ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>> I KNOW THAT YOU SPEAK TO OTHER SECRETARIES OF STATE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT BRING YOU TOGETHER AND I WONDER IF IT'S BROKEN TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT INFLUENCING ELECTIONS?

>> I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MANY SECRETARIES OF STATE ABOUT THE CHALLENGING TIMES INCLUDING BRAD AND SECRETARIES ACROSS THE NATION .

THERE ARE GOOD SECRETARIES OF STATE OUT THERE.

THE DEMOCRATS ARE THERE TO OPEN UP ACCESS AND INCREASE SECURITY BUT THERE IS ALSO A TROUBLING TREND AMONG SECRETARIES OF STATE DENIERS TERRY OF STATE THAT WERE ELECTED OR APPOINTED IN RECENT YEARS.

LUCKILY WE WERE ABLE TO STOP ELECTION DENIERS FROM WINNING RACES AND BATTLEGROUND STATES AND I WAS HAPPY TO LEAVE THAT CHARGE AND HELP PROTECT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOT CROOKED POLITICIANS TRYING TO PUT THEIR FINGER ON THE SCALE OF ELECTIONS SHOULD BE THE ONE CHOOSING THE PRESIDENT NEXT YEAR.

>> COLORADO SECRETARY OF STATE JENNA GRISWOLD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

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